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English: 17th century royal coat of arms within Petersfield Museum, Hampshire. Petersfield Museum is housed in the town's old courthouse and police station. Coat of arms of Kings Charles II and King James II, differenced by a baton sinister argent, denoting bastardy. Thus it is the coat of arms of one of the illegitimate sons of either King Charles II (1660-1685) of England, or of his younger brother and successor, James II (1685-1688). Possibly for the eldest son of Charles II, namely James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth, 1st Duke of Buccleuch, who used a baton sinister argent, later with an inescutcheon of Scott (of Buccleuch) over it. However, the royal crown above suggests the arms of a monarch, as the arms of an illegitimate son of a monarch would display only a coronet. The Latin motto Per Mare Per Terras ("by sea, by lands") is that of the Scottish Clan of MacDonald, but also similar to that of the Royal Marines (given in the singular as Per Mare Per Terram("by sea, by land")), founded by the Duke of York and Albany (later James II of England) in 1664. However the motto was not adopted by the Royal Marines until 1775 (Battle of Bunker Hill, see below), over a century later, during the reign of the Georgian monarchs, when the royal arms had changed form from the royal arms of the Stuart monarchs as in the Petersfield Museum example. James II, younger brother of King Charles II, also had illegitimate sons, to whom these arms might therefore relate. The Clan MacDonald played a leading role in the support of Bonnie Prince Charlie (1720-1788), the "Young Pretender", the grandson of King James II. Text from [1]:
Text from museum's website[2]: "The mystery of the Coat of Arms. The coat of arms used to hang over the mantlepiece in the Magistrate’s retiring room" (the museum building used to be used as a courthouse) "When it was restored by Hampshire Museum Service it was discovered that it was a duke’s coat of arms. The unicorn had paws, not hooves, as it was originally a greyhound with the unicorn’s head being added later. Investigations by the College of Arms in London revealed that the baton across the centre was used as a mark of esteem" (sic, should be "mark of difference") "for the illegitimate children of Charles II. Yet even with this new information, we still do not know who the coat of arms belonged to as its motto is written over an older original, which has no connection with a Duke’s arms." Discussion of similarity of Clan MacDonald motto to that of the Royal Marines. The following text is here reproduced from highcouncilofclandonald.com[3]:
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